Conversations with The Muse
Will Karma come back to bite people in the ass who are creating all the current mayhem in the US? Is Karma even a real thing? Those are some of the questions I’ve had about the topic of Karma. In the past, I thought it seemed kind of weird that in the popular lore, Karma is a kind of thing where if you do “bad” you get some kind of equal and opposite payback for that “bad.”
So if that’s the case, who is doling out the “punishment” for someone doing bad or wrong things that harm others? How is that punishment chosen? Or is the idea just crazy (or anthropomorphism)?
In answer to that, I came across a quote in one of the “Seth” books by Jane Roberts that is related to this idea, though in that context, they didn’t use the word “Karma.” So I wanted to dive into these concepts deeper with my personal Muse, to see what the Muse says about this.
I found it enlightening to find that the idea of Karma is not one of “punishment” but one of ultimate, deeper, learning and growth. It is that sometimes we get a bit off track… and this idea of experiencing something negative is “necessary” to get us back on track. (I do realize that some readers will think that is a sort of “blame the victim” thinking, but it is not. I will explore that more deeply in a future article).
In the end, I found the answer to my question of whether the people causing so much mayhem will be punished. It’s not a punishment per-se, because that’s human ego based thinking. Instead, it is something even worse.
Without further ado, here’s the discussion:
Morgan: Let’s start with this quote I came across:
“You may have brought negative influences into your life for a given reason, but the reason always has to do with understanding, and understanding removes those influences.” – Seth Speaks, p. 259
Morgan: I want to explore this idea more fully. I’ve been contemplating karma—whether it exists, and if so, what it truly means. In the past few days while thinking about this, I happened to be listening to ‘Seth Speaks.’ What seemed like a meaningful coincidence occurred: I had started the book two days ago, and when I resumed this morning, I was in the middle of chapter 12, right before this passage. This discussion about why we experience negativity, both in this life and in reincarnational lives, pointed to an answer: it’s about learning and experiencing.
Just before that passage, Seth had explained that if someone abuses women in one life, they will experience being the recipient of such abuse in future lives—not as punishment, but for learning, growth, and understanding.
I’d like the Muse’s perspective on this. We’re facing some particularly difficult circumstances as a society right now, with widespread hate. I wonder: will there be any kind of ‘karma’ associated with that?
Muse: As “The Course in Miracles” said: all learning is optimal. This is true. This experience you are having individually – and collectively – is all for learning, growth, advancement, and evolution. It is not a biological evolution, it is an evolution of consciousness. The evolution of consciousness precedes the biological evolution, not the other way around as so many think. So if you ask: “how would evolutionary learning proceed maximally?”
Many academics and teachers would answer: by studying the textbooks, by studying history, and learning from that. Yet in practice, you all know that experiential learning is far more powerful than textbook learning. Textbook learning can be quickly forgotten – and even if not, filed away as “interesting facts”. Whereas experiential learning fundamentally changes and shapes the consciousness itself. It expands and grows consciousness in ways that are far greater than any kind of factual learning can do.
And this is why seeming “evil” and hate and the like exist. It may seem quite harsh to you to think that you might have to experience, say, a war, in order for evolution to take place. But then you have to consider – how else would change actually occur, once an individual or a society gets locked into unproductive patterns, and is unwilling or unable to change them?
It’s like the “golden handcuffs” scenario many people have with jobs that are unfulfilling to them. They feel locked in to staying at the job, because to do something else might not pay as much, it might not work out, it would involve unknown changes to circumstances, and egos don’t like change. Change is scary and dangerous (though sometimes thrilling as well.)
Now understand that if you take this tendency to get locked into to the golden handcuffs for an individual, now multiply that by 100’s of millions of people. While some small portion of those, at any given time, might be changing, the overall momentum is towards staying on the same path. So if a society has chosen a path that is not optimal for its freedom, self expression, and growth, how can it make a change?
The only way is to be faced with one or more crises, where the golden part of the handcuffs is stripped away, freeing people individually and collectively to do something different. This is evolutionary learning. It is learning towards greater truths, such as “hating others is never productive,” and “pushing your way of being on others will always cause push back.” You and everyone are here to learn these fundamental principles, in this system of reality.
So, back to the question of “karma” – it is not any kind of punishment or forced situation. It is instead, when someone gets off track and out of touch with the deeper principles of this reality, they are shown circumstances that allow them to realize the error, in this life and, if they don’t “get it” here, in other lives.
That is what Seth was speaking of. Once you “get it” — i.e. your consciousness, or soul if you prefer, transforms in such a way that the behavior in question won’t be repeated, then you no longer need to see (or will resonate with) the negative circumstances.
Morgan: So that makes sense, but it seems to me that when a mass situation is going on – say a government is falling apart – as an individual I can’t just “learn” and then have it go away suddenly.
Muse: This is where you need to understand the way collective events like a governmental problem, intersect with individual reality and events.
It is easy to think there is some kind of 1:1 mapping between the two, so that if things go bad collectively they will go bad personally. That is simply not true. This is like the game of “cancer statistics.” You can say 1 in 3 people may get cancer, but that does not say whether any particular individual will get cancer.
And due to your extremely faulty cultural relationship with the idea of “randomness” – you take any kind of statistics about the group as an indicator of the conditions for each of you personally. It is by the very act of buying into those statistics, and thinking they make a statement about you and your experience, that you then put yourself under their control.
Human consciousness is far more powerful than any statistic. However, when you let your consciousness fall prey to the idea that some kind of global condition must mean that you will experience something negative as a result, then you resonate with negative experiences, i.e. opening your susceptibility to them.
Another way of putting this is that the world is a complex and extremely diverse place. Though a trend may occur, that does not mean that the trend affects everyone equally. Depending on its nature, some will be little affected, and others very affected. Now, again, societally you think that this is random, but it is not.
You may think we’re speaking of something magical that happens. While there are things going on that you may consider “magical” from your current limited level of understanding, there is also a more mundane explanation.
That is the nature of your decisions and actions. Take the example of an economic depression. There are many cases of businesses that “defy the odds” to grow and thrive even in the worst economic conditions. It is not just “luck.” It is those businesses deciding to not give in to desperation, and instead pivoting to serving people in ways that make sense in those economic conditions. It is not easy to ignore all the noise out there, but people still do need goods and services in a depression, so a business can either choose to find ways to provide those, or it can give up. The giving up is what most do, because they look around and say “it’s impossible.” So to your question of learning, those mass conditions may provide you with just what you need to grow and learn, as in your (Morgan’s) case. It has motivated you to do more, to speak up more, to be more authentic about work like this that you are doing, in a time when this kind of work is so much needed.
The outer conditions will affect you to the extent needed for this evolutionary growth to occur. Once it has really taken hold in your consciousness, the outer conditions will no longer worry you or affect you in the same way that they were. It is not that those conditions will suddenly go away in the mass sense, that will have to wait until there is enough of a mass consciousness shift. Instead, it means it just won’t affect you personally in the same way. It’s not that you’ll be completely ignorant or untouched by what’s going on, but you’ll be able to relate to what’s going on from a more rational and measured standpoint, rather than reacting to it in the more emotional ways it has affected you — and many others. You are already making big progress in this.
Morgan: Yes, I do have many more times where I feel like, “whatever, this sht is going down, nothing I can do about it but sit here and watch, and get some of my writing and thinking out meanwhile.” It is so much more a relief than the heavy feelings I had so much of prior.*
There’s a lot more for me to ask in what you’ve written, but I’ll keep it brief to wrap up for today. That is, will the person causing all this pain for everyone experience “karma” in the same way you’re describing?
Muse: Yes, and possibly worse. If a soul persists over lifetimes, not learning, not evolving in positive ways, it starts to fall out of integrity with itself. It will start tearing itself apart from the inside. This is not an external punishment, this is more like an iceberg that drifts into warmer waters, and just can’t maintain its integrity within those waters. A soul that has not been able to evolve, existing within a positive universe where the conditions are towards learning and growth, cannot maintain its integrity, and will eventually disintegrate.
This is not predestined. At any time, during any lifetime, the soul can decide to change its ways, before it reaches that point of no return. Some souls, however, never choose that, and do indeed receive the ultimate “karmic consequences.”
Morgan: Thank you. This was very illuminating. In one of the next writings, I want to discuss how our mass consciousness got to this point where we need such negativity in order to evolve.
Muse: We look forward to it. Be well, and show love and compassion to all those beings that you can, including yourselves.
**This article was hand-written, with light grammatical and spelling checks by AI. To learn more about the muse you can visit our About The Muse page.
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